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welcome to this edition of when the
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biomass it’s the wind turbine a
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discussion of sustainable living and
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just what does that mean to you and me
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I’m Jay Warmke and I’m Annie Warmke
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with lots of cough drops yes and she is
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sucking down those throat lozenges and
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today we’re gonna talk about opting out
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or I don’t want to play that game no
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more there’s there’s got to be some tune
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that anyway alright so thank goodness
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for not singing I know we’re not gonna
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anyway so so when we talk about opting
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out and and this was something that we
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were discussing getting ready for this
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program and and the first thing that
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came to my mind was was the Luddites you
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know the Luddites yeah but wait I just
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want to say that I I just had told you
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this that I realized after we had this
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discussion for the program that I have
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been trying to opt-out since I was a wee
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girl so I would go we last yes I was a
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wee lassie and my grandma gave me these
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sheets and so I would cover over the
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swing set with the clothes pins clipping
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them together or I would be under the
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picnic table or hide in the woods or up
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in the apple tree anyplace where I felt
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like I could be that people weren’t
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looking at me watching me and I realized
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I’ve carried that with me all my life
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and and so I guess I’ve been opting out
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quite a long time okay but not as long
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as the Luddites I’m gonna go back to the
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leg I know but I’m no Luddite no I and
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sometimes I’ve referred to my selves my
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selves myself as a Luddite both with me
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and and if you’re not familiar with what
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the term the Luddites were back during
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the beginning of the Industrial
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Revolution there was a group of people
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in England that really were they it’s
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grown in mythology but they were the
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anti technology folks the anti
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industrialization people and apparently
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went around smashing up looms and steam
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engines and things like that and and
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like most of these terms unlike most of
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these historical facts they’re not facts
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at all
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and they’re mostly I didn’t even exist
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yeah yeah named after Ned Ludd and Ned
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Ludd didn’t exist and and the Luddites
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did not argue against technology they
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were arguing against the loss of jobs
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basically and and the mechanization and
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the in personalization of the workforce
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so I think most of us at some point in
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our working career our our Luddites I
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mean you know railing against the
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impersonal nature of our of our work but
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when we talk about opting out and and
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for this as its show on sustainability
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we’re really talking more about opting
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out of a lot of the messages that
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society gives us a lot of the things
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that were supposed to be aspiring to and
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as we were discussing this it occurred
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to me that most of what we’re opting out
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against is it comes about because these
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things end up being really really bad
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well they’re done poorly that we’re
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really in a lot of ways protesting the
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not just lack of quality but the misuse
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of materials and the abuse of materials
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as an example of what I’m trying to get
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across when I say it’s done very badly
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for many many years we subscribe to our
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local newspaper and and the newspaper
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was losing circulation and as they lost
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circulation they stopped hiring
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reporters and stuff actually that was
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the death blow but anyway the paper got
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worse and worse and worse and it got
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smaller and more expensive and finally
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we’re like you know what we’re not going
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to take it anymore
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yet the reporting was people are no
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longer reading newspapers and I was
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thinking we would read the newspaper if
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it was good but it’s not going to be
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good it’s just crap and and it seem like
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people aren’t watching television
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anymore well guess what it’s really bad
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you know people aren’t watching it
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because with newspapers and publications
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and with television and movies is that
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people have learned to want something
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instantaneously
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newspapers cannot produce that I mean
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when I was growing up the city that I
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grew up in it had two papers one in the
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morning and one in the evening and it
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can’t you know came like clockwork and
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everybody raced to see what the
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newspaper said and they listened to the
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radio because there were lots of radios
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local radio stations today we can listen
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to the radio station in you know Quito
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Ecuador and if we want to we it’s not
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like when I was a kid where he just had
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one and if he had poor reception they
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had none right so there are better
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alternatives so in order to compete is I
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don’t know no I would I really would
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dispute sometimes there are better
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alternatives if you look at the truth if
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you had a truth meter and you could lay
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that down on some of the publication’s
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but even beyond that just the idea of
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what art is or what is meaningful I
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think there’s a 24/7 mentality that all
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of these programs and all of these
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mediums have to have content and so
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they’re gonna put anything they can on
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it so I I would argue that maybe the
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content and the quality isn’t better but
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you can seek out there’s a story there’s
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a lot more crap out there well there are
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much more opportunity to have an option
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to find one that’s good okay so I’m
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gonna I’m gonna redirect us back to the
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idea of opting out so when we were
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discussing opting out what does what
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does this mean so so we’re laying this
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over the whole idea that oftentimes in
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order to be sustainable in order to be
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rational in order to be a fully formed
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human being
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you must take these messages these
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institutions the society lays in front
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of you and say I don’t want that I want
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to reject that and there are typically
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alternatives so for instance housing
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housing is an alternative we we happen
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to live in that situation where we’ve
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taken we live in a house made out of
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tires a house that’s very self
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sustainable
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you know it’s quite different than the
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norm so we have opted out from
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traditional housing well also housing
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ownership is at its lowest level since
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1965 37% rented in those days and
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one-third today have have no mortgage so
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debt is a huge issue are you thinking
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then that’s a conscious choice or is
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that a no I I don’t I’m not sure how
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much how much freedom people have not to
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be in debt well I what I was talking
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about is owning versus renting because
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the American dream has always been own
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your own home that’s been the I should
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be able to earn a wage so if you earned
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50 less than 15 dollars an hour across
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the United States that does not pay to
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have an apartment it’s not enough money
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so how are you going to buy a house and
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pay for the utilities and all the things
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that go with that even if you had a lot
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of help um I think the majority of
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people are living with other people
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whether its family or with several other
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people near their own age and where they
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rent you know a house or apartments
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together so some of it is is gonna be
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economic but other I know we’ve met some
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some folks particularly younger people
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who are saying I I simply don’t want the
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burden of homeownership I opt out for
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this said they can’t afford it not one
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of those I realize have the money to do
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it I know but there’s they’re saying
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it’s the same as not wanting to own a
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car say I would prefer not to have this
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obligation you know I think that would
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be a viable option of opting out I also
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think people want to connect in certain
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ways and so we see things like
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couchsurfing which is a way to travel
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and stay somewhere for free by signing
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up online and then you can stay in
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somebody’s house and they have an extra
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bedroom or an extra couch or the tiny
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house movement or intentional
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communities we’re seeing a lot more
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intentional communities this is a way
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where people can live not just to have
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the ability to live in a nicer setting
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so that you know you’re free of bedbugs
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or whatever but we need each other
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know people live far from their families
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I think fairly regularly statistics say
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that people on average move every six
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years so so we’re not really living as
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family units but we need each other
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so to live intentionally in a in a house
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with several other people sharing the
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burdens of living there I know there was
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a group that’s formed an intentional
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community and they were older people
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they were retired and they each sold
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their houses and then bought a house
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together and when one of the women got
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cancer they took care of her they they
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cooked for her they actually helped her
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to keep her job she was actually the
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youngest person in the group I think
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there were six of them and they helped
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her with her work I mean she she always
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would say I could have never gotten
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through it if I hadn’t decided to live
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in this intentional community so that’s
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an example of saying okay we’re gonna
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opt out of this myth of the family home
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in the suburbs the post-world War two
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this is the great American success so
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that we can do the lay over the same
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kind of opting out on to for instance
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food right our food systems were
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beginning to see that splintering off in
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a lot of some people would call them
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fads those would be the people who are
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well the food system is gravy has
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totally fallen apart right the
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industrialization of food has
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essentially made it to where the
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mainstream product that’s out there is
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really bad well 11 million people died
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last year from bad diets right which is
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amazing you consider the living cause a
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death is the food that we’re eating that
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more than cigarettes yes uh-huh
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so yes you say so food is when food is
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killing you there is something
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legitimately wrong with the system
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well the real challenge to I think why
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people opt out is because in reality we
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can’t change all those plastic threads
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that are ending up in the waterways and
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the oceans that end up in our fish
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our meat and sometimes even our
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vegetables it’s a real problem so it
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isn’t really a fad to say I reject those
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foods I’m gonna grow my own food or I’m
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going to buy from a farmer I know where
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I’m going to become vegan because they
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don’t want to consume animal products
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that might kill me it’s hard to know I
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mean even as someone like myself who
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grows a lot of food and buys food from
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the farmers market and the farmers
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produce auction and from other local
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people but there is still some things I
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have to get at the grocery like olive
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oil and things like that and I just
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think wow are we gonna survive this so I
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don’t think opting out today means the
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same thing as it did when I was young
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when people were saying you know don’t
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trust anybody over 30 well there was a
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reason not to and I and I would say that
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they were right to say oh my god you’re
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showing your age no but but today I
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would say don’t trust anything that
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comes from the big corporations because
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this is really you know an amazing time
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of having to really plan and think
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things through and and it’s not about
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opting out it’s about opting in and
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saying I want to live and be healthy
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mm-hmm well and another thing on our
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list here when we’re talking about sort
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of the myths of society and like we are
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discussing child rearing child rearing
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is once again we have this perception
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this this myth of mom and dad raising
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happy you know rosy cheek little
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children playing and by the way has not
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been the case since the 1930s oh don’t
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rain on my parade here I wanna so so
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what is the reality what is the reality
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in our system well it’s not two parents
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with two kids that’s for darn sure
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the studies show that 50 percent of 17
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year olds live with their with their
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biological parents so only 50 percent
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where did the other 50 percent the time
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you’re 17 years old you ain’t livin with
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mom and dad you’re living somewhere else
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and or with a you know a divorced family
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or single parent or there’s a whole lot
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of different the myth of mom and dad
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with the little kid
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is truly a myth and if your parents have
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less than a high school education
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29% only 29% live with their parents
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then another one of the big institutions
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which when we talk about opting on this
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is a big one for us is the medical
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establishment because as you’ve told me
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anytime
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I’m moving away from child Oh child I’m
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done with the kids I’m useless all right
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let him put them in a mediocre school
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and let me forget about them so anyway
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so let’s say hope our granddaughter
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never has children after that state so
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the medical the medical industry now you
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you are you are like the poster child of
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rants against the medical establishment
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in fact many times and I’ll put this on
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on the air you’ve told me that if you
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ever got some terminal illness I was to
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walk you out into the woods and prop you
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up against a tree no I think bring me a
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mattress at least want to be comfortable
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and I’ve always said okay could you put
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that in writing because I don’t want to
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get arrested I’ve told everybody who
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would listen so it’s not alternative
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medicine first of all that’s sort of an
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oxymoron it’s really saying I’m gonna
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put my faith in a number of modalities
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that have the potential to help me heal
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okay let me interrupt you there and say
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that you are listening to when the
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biomass hits the wind turbine with Jay
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and Annie Warmke reminding you that it
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is indeed the end of the world as we
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know it and thank God yeah and we we
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always use that tagline because when we
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say it is the end of the world as we
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know it the world as we know it is not
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sustainable and we’re talking about
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opting out of that world as we know it
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medical we I interrupted you in your in
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your rant against the medical assess I
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wasn’t ranting or eating your fat so so
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the thing is I’m not interested in
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anything but healing so I want I know my
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body has the ability to help itself if I
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can find the right modalities to work
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with it the right plants the right food
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the right people the right kind of hugs
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the right kind of nourishment and
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oftentimes the reason
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that I’m having problems is because I’ve
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not done well in one or more of those
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areas so medicine to me is about either
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cutting something out or masking it
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that’s the whole modality of the medical
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model and also apparently of getting
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rich because the average doctor makes
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about 300 thousand dollars per year and
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somehow affords for four years of
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medical school to pay about 250 thousand
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dollars I know when we talk about
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medicine I always have those two
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conflicting thoughts in my mind one is
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that it is immoral to profit from the
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pain and suffering of another human
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being and the medical model is entirely
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based upon profiting by the pain and
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suffering of another human yeah so so
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and I know that there you know there are
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people who are immediately gonna recoil
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from that and go oh I know a good doctor
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my is a wonderful nurse or whatever and
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you go okay yeah yeah well guess what
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you’re stuck in a dysfunctional system
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and there are good people in every
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dysfunctional system but I is and what
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this conversation is about this is about
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saying look we in opting out are saying
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I am saying that my grandparents and
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their parents and their grandparents
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understood how to use a lot of different
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modalities herbal remedies different
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things that they’d learn to do that
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actually are healing and science has
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proven that are really amazing helpful
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things that you can do to help your body
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to heal itself and yes you can see that
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some medical models are actually going
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to things like acupuncture I don’t know
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they don’t like chiropractors I don’t
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know why but they’re they’re looking at
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some of these other kind of things and
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they’re saying hey that might work
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you know it nothing else is working but
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they live in a culture and work in a
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culture it says there’s one model and it
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fits everybody and it’s not true we’re
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all different and everything that’s
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needed to help us heal is going to be
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different for each person we also look
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at every issue in isolation
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independent of all other factors well I
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think that’s true across the board with
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the law with all kinds of things but for
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me again it’s about opting out so I’m
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not going to go to the medical doctor in
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fact I probably would have an anxiety
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attack if I thought that was going to be
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the case I’ve often said if I was in an
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accident some I woke up in one of those
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helicopters I’d keel over because I just
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be thinking $15,000 but I could have
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gone to the chiropractor anyway I’m not
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quite sure that would be the first the
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first stop I don’t know one time I had a
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car accident and I called you and you
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came to get me because the car had to be
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towed it wasn’t my fault and I said off
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to the chiropractor I called maintenance
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okay so we’ve we’ve already dissed the
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medical establishment we’ve dissed okay
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we’re not just king there are points to
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it I mean they can set your broken leg
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and they can cut things out of you that
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probably you want to have cut out but
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the reality is we’re talking about
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opting out and one of the things that
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we’re opting out of is this whole thing
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of I don’t feel well I’m going to run to
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the doctor and get an antibiotic that
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list should be a theme for a song
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somewhere because it’s people are stupid
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doctors are still giving antibiotics for
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cold yeah this is a sin because we need
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the bacteria that’s in that body of ours
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to be there so when you wipe it out with
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antibiotic it better be life and death
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because you’ve now changed the chemistry
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of that person for the rest of their
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life it’s terrible it’s really it should
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be against the law to give antibiotic
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for a cold person needs a new boat so
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they’re going to give you antibiotics
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I’m sorry but it’s terrible so that cats
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can they gave me when I had a sniffy
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nose was was it right irrelevant I have
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no comment gonna have that on that okay
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speaking of media right the media is is
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is a and what brought that to mind is we
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were we were at a restaurant one
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recently and and the of course that was
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during the daytime so every commercial
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that came on the television there was
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about some prescription drug
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you know clear up your acne but of
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course your minutes the show would break
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away and then it would be a series of
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commercials about drug use
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yeah and they and these things the side
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effects are like 50 times worse than the
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thing they’re specially for man but the
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favorite one was there was some
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commercial there where basically the
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talking heads were sitting saying this
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is the most wonderful drug this does
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this this does that and underneath where
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little disclaimers going not a real
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doctor being paid to tell you this this
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doesn’t really do what he says it does
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you know 17 out of 20 of these
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situations don’t apply like really okay
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that’s really getting weird well we
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hadn’t seen to you I hadn’t seen TV for
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maybe a year so that was pretty wild
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anyway let’s move on because okay well
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let’s beat up on that I quickly jumped
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over body piercing and religious beliefs
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cuz because I know that’s that’s a
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minefield I don’t know that I want to
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step into but anyway let’s jump on to
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the media we’ve opted no I think it’s
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probably I’m wondering brought the
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needle at you you’d pass out a morning
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never know what percent that don’t have
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tattoos I always think of the old show
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mash where Charles Emerson Winchester
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said why would you hang art on your body
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that you would never hang on your wall
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you know I thought that was wisdom
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that’s very uppity yes he’s my hero okay
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so let’s talk about media we’re talking
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about you know the decline of newspapers
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making faces over there at Adam through
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the window no I’m laughing cuz we’re
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laughing at you alright so we’ve seen
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the the loss of the decline of
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newspapers I think there’s been a
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general loss of faith in the
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professionalism of the news well they
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just write whatever and I don’t want to
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get into the whole fake news fake news
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because that that’s such a handy little
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thing to just say if I disagree with you
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you’re lying
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but it’s really
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professionalism as a journalist I do you
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learn like didn’t you learn a code of
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journal professionally well I went to
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these Howard hallowed halls here oh how
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you know about the university’s
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journalism school and and actually it
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was funny because at the time they were
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talking about this idea of happy talk
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news you know where the the people who
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were reporting the news actually chatted
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with each other and our professors would
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look down their noses at us and saying
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why would anyone care what a news reader
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feels or is thinking or did on the
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weekend
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that is ridiculous well that’s not
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that’s it right now it’s all about it’s
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all about so it’s you know so far and
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yeah but then there’s also this code of
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being a civil human being like yelling
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and calling names and you know that to
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me is just appalling well but to me it
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comes down to laziness it’s being a
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celebrity it’s lazy reporting yeah you
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know most and and that regardless of
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what size of the side of the issue
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you’re on people have mistaken opinion
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for news and and they’ve mistaken just
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arbitrary thoughts for research you know
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and I guess this show is case in point
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but but it becomes this kind of lazy
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process where they’re not actually
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researching they’re not actually and so
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the so as a result we the consumer feel
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it understand it there are no Walter
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Cronkite’s out there anymore that give
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us this warm and fuzzy well some of it
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as I said is they have to fill content
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24/7 so they’re gonna do it however they
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can that’s the bottom line let’s talk
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about shopping ok go shop because you
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can do that online too
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there’s lots of media around that but
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some of the things that are happening
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around opting out with shopping which i
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think is funny because I’ve done this
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most of my adult life but second-hand
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buying secondhand I know some of my
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friends when I was younger would be like
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alright I’ll go with you to the
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second-hand shop but don’t tell anybody
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that I went there and then they found
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some cool thing and then they were like
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don’t tell
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anybody I’m never gonna wear it when I’m
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with you because you might tell somebody
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that I got it at the second-hand shop
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and I’d be like everything I own came
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from there
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I’m proud the fact that I paid a dollar
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for a $500 dress I don’t I don’t care
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well I’ve never quite understood that
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because I’ve I’ve always had this
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thought that the second I bought
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anything new one second later it was
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used so you’re cheap I’m just yeah so
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I’ve been trying to live more
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sustainably for a long time anyway also
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clothing swaps there I know from the
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ones that I’ve started that some of my
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friends have gone off to other places to
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live and now they have clothing swaps
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there and I think there are all kinds of
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parties around swapping things and
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there’s also retro parties and fix-it
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parties and so people are starting to
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come together around reuse and re
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repurposing and another thing people are
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coalescing around is entertainment so
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spending time creating their own board
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games so we’re playing old-fashioned
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board games or even new board games
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they’re into a lot of retro things and
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having barbecues and making food
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together and all these cool things that
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are really really healthy and they’re
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they’re becoming trends are you thinking
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this is like in direct response to sort
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of the ubiquitous nature of the the
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Internet the the rectangle in your hand
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this kind of ubiquitous bad
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entertainment I don’t know I think
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there’s still a lot of that going on but
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I think that we intuitively knows at
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some level that we’re a tribe and we
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need each other but we got to find ways
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to come back together since we have sort
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of separated ourselves from with phones
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and Netflix and all that kind of stuff
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well speaking of opting out that seems
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to be a thing I mean I hear people
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bragging about it all the time
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I set my phone down and didn’t use it
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for all the time you don’t have
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broadband there and this is so great
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that’s one of the reasons I’d love to be
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here I’m like you could turn your phone
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off any time you want to yeah I always
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marvel at the idea that I was without
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the internet for a day
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therefore it’s like some sort of badge
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of honor
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we’re thinking we need to give some
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little buttons that people can wear
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after they leave from visiting connected
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so so when you if you wanted to sum this
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whole idea of opting out because at some
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point opting out if enough people do it
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then it’s the new thing you know so so
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it’s hard to be a rebel when everybody
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but why do we care about being a rebel
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this is about our hearts and our souls
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and our dreams and our goals directing
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us to do something differently that’s
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what it’s really about it’s not about
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saying you know kiss my butt
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I don’t care about the government or
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whatever it’s about saying I feel I’m
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not going to work 60 hours a week like
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my dad did
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I’m not going to own a home like my
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parents did I don’t want to I don’t want
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to spend my money that way I’d rather
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work less hours and have time to have
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fun with my friends to go skateboarding
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or do yoga or whatever and I think this
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is great I think this is leading us to a
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better place we just need to get there
27:53
more quickly all right well you have
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been listening to when the biomass it’s
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the wind turbine with Jay and Annie Warmke
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we want to thank our producer Adam
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Rich and we want to thank you for
28:04
spending just a little bit of time with
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us and as your grandmother
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hopefully told you the secret to a happy
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and sustainable life is play nice with
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others clean up your own mess and each
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vegetables because they’re good till
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next time
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041 – Opting Out (Everything they ever told you is Wrong) – Transcript