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welcome to this edition of when the
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biomass hits the wind turbine a
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discussion of sustainable living and
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what that means to you and me I am Jay
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Warmke and I am Annie Warmke today
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anyway today and yesterday as well and
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today we’re gonna talk about raising
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healthy goats or you mean those things
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are actually gonna live okay so so the
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first thing now Annie you’re the expert
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you’re the goat not Whisperer because
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goats won’t listen when you whisper or
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so the goats shouter so getting started
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on raising healthy goats I guess you
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have to start with a healthy goat right
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but we’re part two because we do part
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one before and if you didn’t hear that
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you should definitely go back and listen
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to every word of it because the reality
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is if you aren’t doing those things that
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we talked about in number one you should
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not be in part two yet alright so goats
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pot do so you want to start out with a
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healthy goat so so what is the key to
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selecting a healthy go well I I thought
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of something else that we ought to just
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throw out there and that is that by the
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time we get to the point of saying what
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kind of goat are we going to get there
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ought to be a budget a budget because we
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need to skip the goats and just raise
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budgies know a budget and the reason for
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that is because it costs money to have
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healthy goats and if you didn’t make a
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budget around the fencing and the
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housing and all that stuff now is the
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time to think about it because you got
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to have expenses with hay and different
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kinds of herbs or medications whatever
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you’re going to use to keep the goat
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going and and feed plus other stuff
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insurance and equipment and all that
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kind of stuff so so budget and that’s a
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whole different thing and you can visit
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Blue Rock Station calm and listen to
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another podcast on how to have a budget
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and make a living of what you love to do
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anyway so selecting a healthy goat
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the the bottom line is first thing is to
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say all right what kind of what is it I
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want this goat to do is the goat going
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to be meat and you’re going to raise it
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for your family or to sell as meat and
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then where’s the market for that and how
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that’s going to work so you need to know
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the answers to some of that or is this a
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goat that’s going to be a companion
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animal to other animals or children or
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whatever or is it going to be a dairy
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animal and those are the three main
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reasons people keep those animals and
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sometimes they use them in work like
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working with kids and things like that
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so if I want to so now that I know what
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what my goat is jobs gonna be then next
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I need to say what what looks good to me
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within those categories so tuggin what
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looks good from a specific animal or
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what looks like no I like the way it
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looks I’m I tell people all the time
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it’s got a little fedora and looking at
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you kinda I don’t know had bangs he
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looked like a little Italian guy with
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bangs where somebody had put a bowl on
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his head and cut it straight across but
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then after he had happier life with us
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is he’s gotten more of a wisp to his
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bangs and he’s pretty cute but the the
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bottom line is to choose an animal a
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breed of animal that you really like the
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looks of so if you’re looking for meat
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goats you don’t have much choice but
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there are mixed breeds that you can can
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purchase but you want to make sure that
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you like the way it looks because you’re
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going to give that animal the benefit of
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the doubt when things go south and they
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will at some point they get sick or they
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do something more than once that makes
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you crazy or cost you a lot of money
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you’re then look into those eyes and go
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oh you’re the cutest darn thing or
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you’re going to say I didn’t like the
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way you look to start with and now
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you’re going to go to go to heaven so
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it’s really vital vital to like the
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looks the other thing is and and you can
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go online and look at YouTube videos and
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read all kinds of articles about how to
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pick a healthy goat but there are some
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things that you’re going to want to know
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right up front even if you don’t
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understand the what they call
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conformation of that animal
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there’s some stuff that’s a no-brainer
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you don’t want it to be hobbling like
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limping you want its hooves to look
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healthy versus be overgrown and and not
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evenly cut you you you basically want
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the go to look like it’s it’s healthy
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and you can tell when a human being
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looks healthy and it doesn’t you can
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tell a goat it’s got too much meat or
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not enough meat on it but the one thing
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that you should really research is
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something spelled F a and a is the
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clearing of the throat and this is very
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difficult to well maybe for you
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that’s a letter okay F am a CA yes Amaka
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I think is how it’s pronounced and you
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can go online and read all about that
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but it’s pretty important tool so if you
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just learn the basics of that which is
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basically to look at the goats under
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underneath their eyelids so you can pull
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down the bottom eyelid or or pull up the
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top eyelid and look at the underside and
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that’s going to tell you a lot about
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that that goats health if there are
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issues around parasites or iron
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deficiency because there are five
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different colors that that eyelid can be
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and it’s a variation of white to what I
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call salmon or a really dark pink and
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anywhere in between is going to tell you
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a lot about what’s going on with the
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animal and then there’s also a process
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for taking your hand and going along the
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spine and that’s going to tell you how
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much fat and how much meat that animal
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has because right now they all have
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heavy coats so you can’t always tell
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exactly how lean they are so that’s how
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you’re going to select the goat and you
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also want to ask the person who’s
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selling the goats do they keep records
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and if they don’t perhaps that’s not the
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animal for you you want to see if
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they’ve had shots or other medications
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we don’t give vaccines at Blue ruff
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stations so that doesn’t necessary
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that’s a bad thing but you want to know
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when was that animal bred or did it have
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any kind of problems and how were those
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treated
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what’s its what who were its parents
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where did they come from
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so you want to know a few things about
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the animal and so keeping goats is not
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about rescuing and especially if you
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have never had a goat getting a rescued
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goat or a goat that appears to be
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unhealthy because you feel bad for it is
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only going to make you feel worse and
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the animal is probably going to die so
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don’t start with a goat or any animal in
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your life that isn’t healthy unless
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you’re an expert at it right so
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basically you’re saying that we’ve seen
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this where you go to a livestock auction
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and right they drained out and you have
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no way of confirming with the owner you
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don’t know who the owner is now don’t
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you can’t touch the animal even if you
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could touch the animal junk do it so so
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that’s not a good way to begin and the
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whole point is that you’re beginning
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because you have an affinity for what
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you’re about to do you you want to
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succeed at it and so don’t start with
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the wrong tools in the wrong tool the
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major wrong tool is not just the fencing
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not just the housing or the proper food
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and how to feed it it really starts with
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that animal so let’s start with a
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healthy animal is reasonably healthy I
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mean sometimes you can be fooled
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I bought some goats from a guy that they
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were amazing looking goats but it turned
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out they had something called CAE which
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is a term they use for arthritis but
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it’s not it’s not just our thright as’
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and i couldn’t have known that the ant
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the three goats hadn’t been had nothing
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done to them the goat had had kids and
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she fed them fine because they they
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certainly weren’t well treated by the
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humans they weren’t abused they just
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weren’t dealt with and they looked
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incredibly healthy they had a good
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copper level but when they kidded and
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Mama could not produce enough milk that
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was my first indication that she
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probably had CAE and then there was some
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testing done and we discovered that they
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did have it so I couldn’t have known
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well some of the things they would bring
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in you know essentially infect and
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affect the rest of the herd for the rest
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of of your life really you know right
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for the life of the herd well the thing
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is when you when when you bring an
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animal onto your land you should
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immediately quarantine it because you
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don’t want to you don’t want the animals
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that you already have to give something
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to that new goat who may or may not have
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a strong enough immune system even if
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they look healthy and they pass all the
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little tests and everything and you also
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don’t want that animal to infect your
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animals so if you were bringing an
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animal in and you are going to
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quarantine it it should just be able to
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see the the herd and the herd should be
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able to see it as often as it needs to
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because goats are not intended to be
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alone they need the protection of the
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herd because they’re a prey animal and
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they know that anything at any moment is
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just around the corner waiting to kill
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them well how far away from them you’re
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saying they should see each other but I
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would assume some of these issues can be
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can be kind of broadcast through the air
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so if you’re just separating them with a
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fence you know where they can come right
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no you don’t want them to touch each
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other you want to have some some
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distance like we have a lane that a big
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truck could drive through and that’s the
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separation most of the time sometimes
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they’ll be behind the barn or something
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like that but they can still see each
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other but they cannot touch each other
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and that becomes important also if you
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want to keep those away from the buck
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because believe it or not the the duck
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and the duck in the dough can be pretty
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determined and there are many many many
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kids that have been born five months
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later that the buck never actually was
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in the field but he managed to breed
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through the fence
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so determination that’s in their DNA so
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anyway so so you want to know a lot
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about the animal as much as possible and
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don’t don’t do anything out of pity it’s
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not a good way to start so basically you
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don’t want to start with a sick animal
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and you don’t want to introduce a sick
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animal no you’re hurt although here’s
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the other poor sick animal is just Sol
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yes that’s right
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but here’s the other thing so when you
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transport an animal like that you there
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are some things you ought to do ahead of
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time and and with the idea that it’s
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going to be stressed out and goats don’t
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do well under stress so you may want to
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do some more natural things like we use
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dr. Bach remedies we use Rescue Remedy
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and large large oil lar CH and walnut
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oil and these are things
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these are little remedies that are made
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from tree flowers and they help to
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reestablish balance in the nervous
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system so we’re not drugging the animal
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we’re asking the nervous system to calm
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itself and so we might do that if we’re
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going to halt the animal we wouldn’t
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haul it and open in the back of a truck
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so and they have what they call hauling
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disease so a goat can get really sick
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like a pneumonia type of thing after
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they come through a very stressful
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situation of the stressors from the wind
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blowing I know it’s it’s really more
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stress than anything so because it’s
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it’s hard on them they don’t know what’s
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going on and especially if they’re alone
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and not being hauled with another goat
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then they’re sure that they’re something
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Bad’s going to happen so I had hauling
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disease all through college then you did
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well I don’t know it couldn’t have been
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stress just feeling empathy with the
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goat right now that let’s write that on
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the calendar honestly so I I wanted to
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say something about hoofs hoofs are
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really don’t we all alright so hoofs are
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healthy hoofs are very important because
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if the hoofs are not regularly trimmed
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and most books say twice a year and that
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is baloney that hoof ought to be looked
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at at least every ten days or so
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and yeah every goat has a different way
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a growth rate of a hoof just like humans
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with fingernails so you don’t want that
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hoof to start curving around the bottom
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of the foot and get impacted with gravel
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or mud or whatever and you want to keep
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it healthy it will totally destroy the
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ankle and the knee at some point and
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make the animal crippled if you don’t
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take care of it properly well climbing
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on rocks help with that it in the wild
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it helps so that’s why they don’t need
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to have their hooves trimmed in the
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world but it’s not it doesn’t work that
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efficiently except with little kids okay
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well you are listening to when the biomass
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hits the wind turbine with Jay and
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Annie Warmke reminding you that it is
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indeed the end of the world as we know
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it
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thank God thank God and the rest of the
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show will be brought to you by goats I
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was gonna say the other white meat but
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I’m not don’t say anything
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no no goat wants to be the other white
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meat so so the the thing that I feel
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pretty strongly about when it comes to
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working with livestock is the psychology
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of it the psychology of the herd or the
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flock and as a goat herder it’s pretty
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important to understand how those
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animals think and how they interact
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because for example you may come into
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the field and they’re calling to you and
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it’s not a normal behavior they they
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wouldn’t normally do that so it’s
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important to say alright what’s changed
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what is going on they can be very sad if
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they abort and sometimes not even
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recover from it but they have a
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psychology and there’s a pecking order
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with goats and so there’s what’s called
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the queen and she appoints herself and
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often has to fight for the right to be
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in charge and then there it’s usually
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followed by her kin so she has daughter
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she has granddaughters so they would be
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second and third
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command in the herd and then the bottom
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of the herd would be the weather’s which
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are the castrated males and then last
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but not least the buck he has one job
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and that is to procreate and they love
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him to death when they’re in heat and
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when they’re not he’s worse than then I
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don’t know liver so so it’s it’s vital
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to understand how the herd works because
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first the first time you’re gonna
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realize this is when you bring a new
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animal into the herd and whether it’s a
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livestock Guardian dog or or another
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goat
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and you’re gonna want to make sure that
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those goats in the herd I’ve been able
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to see the other goat that’s not coming
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into the herd on a daily basis so they
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at least understand it’s a male or a
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female or whether they’ll know that and
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then when you bring it in the first
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thing I like to do is have everybody
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tied up I have stations for everybody
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and they’re pretty used to that they
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know which one is theirs they’ll
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sometimes even go there for me because
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they’re used to doing that and that way
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I have what I call peace agree and I
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want to have complete control over the
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barnyard and I want to be able to bring
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that animal in and allow her or him to
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be in charge of everybody else for that
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moment and go around and sniff and
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understand who’s who and who the queen
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is offer a little feed get them used to
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what I’m asking them to do in that
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situation they already know what I’m
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asking in the other field but now the
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rules have changed dramatically
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have you ever introduced a goat into the
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herd that nobody liked I mean they just
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never liked them never got on yeah it
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happens all the time and there are some
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studies psychological studies about
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goats coming out of Australia that show
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that goats no English study came out of
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Australia the goats didn’t come out of
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Australia well they were in Australia
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because I just thought okay these goats
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just don’t I don’t like Australian so
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okay I’m just trying I’m trying to be
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clear here all right be clear Club
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right donor which so anyway I rarely do
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either anyway so there are studies being
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done in Australia on herds of goats is
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that clear enough all right well I just
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get excited I think it’s fascinating and
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what they have found in one of the
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studies is that goats know exactly who
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they like and who they don’t like
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and that’s kind of how that pecking
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order develops as well and so when a
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goat comes into the herd or lair in the
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barnyard and it’s feeding time they are
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going to go after the ones they don’t
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like the ghosts that they do like
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they’re going to give affection to
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they’re going to share with as much as
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goats are capable of sharing they do
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share with their young but not often
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with each other in adulthood they also
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know the humans they like and I see this
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quite often because we have interns that
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come and go and when a new intern comes
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I can tell if that person is really
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going to be able to relate with the
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goats because the goats will come to
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somebody that they’ve they’re trying to
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decide if they like and they’ll start to
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rub on the person as of welcoming into
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the herd and if they don’t do that then
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I know it’s there’s no point to even
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have the the person come and work with
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me with the goats because the goats
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there’s not going to be a learning
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situation there are further goats or for
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them so in bringing a new goat in it’s
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important to have control because the
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minute you let off of the lead the goats
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that have been tied up there’s going to
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be chaos because they have to establish
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the pecking order and they know they
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that that goat that’s just come in has
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to understand who’s in charge and who
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isn’t in charge and it can this can
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happen with a new goat or particularly
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after kiding season when maybe goats
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going off with her to to give birth and
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then she comes back and she’s decided
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she’s in charge and we had a really
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amazing thing happened this year where
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we had a goat that wanted to be the
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queen Fiona
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and she had been in the herd for maybe
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three years and but she didn’t want the
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responsibility she just wanted all the
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perks and so she was really snotty and
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she was head-butting and as she got more
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and more pregnant further along in her
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pregnancy she was really mean and so she
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head-butted one of the younger goats and
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caused her to abort twins so at that
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moment it was clear to me that she had
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to go but I I didn’t want to lose her
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her kids and so when she came out of
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having her kids another goat also pinky
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came out and pinky said to her I’m in
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charge now and they had the most amazing
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Rumble and the other dog goats came and
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stood behind pinky and and I’m not
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making this up you know I don’t leave
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the barnyard when this is happening
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because I take all the kids and put him
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away so they can’t get hurt and what
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happened with the three major milk goats
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against Fiona was they didn’t believe
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her when she finally stopped fighting
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and they just chased her everywhere
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wherever she went they chased her and it
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took two times of having that kind of a
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rumble before Fiona finally gave up and
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now she lives in a new place and called
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goat heaven and that is where all goats
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need you so basically you don’t want to
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lose a goat knife-fight because you’re
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gonna when when they do lose do they to
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do the other goats does everybody pretty
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much accept it usually you know there’s
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a little rumble and then they all go my
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church Fiona did not allow it for two
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they had two fights but usually the
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first time once it all settles down and
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they have what I call it come to Jesus
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meeting at the end everybody goes
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alright now that’s the way it’s going to
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be and they accept that but let’s say a
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week later there’s another shift where
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somebody goes off the kid and comes back
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into the herd there’s going to be more
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shuffling and more arguing and sometimes
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it’s just like they go at each other
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like why I
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and then nothing happens and they all go
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their separate way but it’s it’s
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important to recognize that they’re
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always trying to figure out what’s the
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safest mixture in this herd because
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they’re prey animals they know that
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they’re being stalked they don’t know
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who’s doing it or what’s doing it but
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they know it could happen at any time so
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they don’t want to Queen like Fiona who
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doesn’t take responsibility but just
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wants to be the queen they don’t want
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her and they never respected her but she
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had horns to back up what she wanted and
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and it just works out sounding more and
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more like Congress so let me but wait
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let me say this about you ask me about
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you go to go to heaven
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not every goat that challenges belongs
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in goat heaven but if you head but if
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you aren’t grumpier and grumpier as your
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time comes and yes they can be quite
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miserable but there’s a difference
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between miserable and being hateful she
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was not going to be happy in any
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situation unless she was completely with
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her just with her own kids and her kids
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were not going with her and she she’d
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proven that she she really was she it’s
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a horrible decision I didn’t like it I
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cried about it i sat with her I
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I tried everything to reorganize her but
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it didn’t work so ok so let’s say that
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your hope you’re heard is established
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there they’ve come to some sort of goat
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day taught for the moment and and now
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how are you going to care for them
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alright you’ve selected them they’ve
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they’ve beaten each other up so far this
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is sounding fun and you clean up after a
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minute if you if they don’t learn not to
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have you in the middle of it they and
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they do learn not to do that and they
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also learn how to use their horns and
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how to appropriately use those horns
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even when they fight if they if they’re
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not fighting to the death like fiona was
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trying to do they they use their horns
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but only as a sort of a caution so a
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good goat will know how to work with you
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and they will not headbutt you the
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minute a goat does that to you
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there’s some changes that have to happen
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and if they don’t then they must go to
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go to heaven because they’re dangerous
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then well moving on to feed we’re
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talking about that nine I do know that
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when you’re you’re you’re very cautious
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whenever you go to change you know when
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you’re feeding them grain you don’t want
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or any food yeah I mean the the
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stereotype or the myth is that goats
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will eat anything but they’re they’re
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pretty finicky they’re pretty picky they
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don’t want to eat dirty food and so if
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there’s poop in the food they won’t eat
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it they’ll sniff it and they know it’s
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that way and they won’t eat it and they
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won’t drink dirty water unless they’re
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gonna die so these are two things to
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remember and in terms of feeding them if
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you’re going to change their feed
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whatever that is you need to do it very
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gradually it takes sometimes as much as
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two weeks of just each day introducing a
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little more of the different food and a
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little less of the other food so that
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that stomach which has those four
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chambers in it is able to adjust to
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what’s going on with the feed and how
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the rumens are adjusting to the the
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acidity and everything that’s in the
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feed so the ideal is to feed naturally
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which would be most goats that are any
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goat that is not pregnant or producing
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milk really is able to live on whatever
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is available in the woods and possibly
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pasture they’re not pasture animals they
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like roughage and they need roughage to
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digest their food so but you can feed
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extruded hmm you can feed extruded food
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from the store and there are a number of
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varieties of those if you can mix your
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own that’s better that has more natural
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grains and things in it and it’s
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certainly not non GMO food how much
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would you give them because I know the
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delete’ themselves sick well you have to
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keep the feed so that nothing can get to
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it rats mice or the goats because they
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won’t stop eating they’ll natural food
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they they don’t binge on but it’s like
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they got exposed to ice cream and now
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they’re going to eat all of it what
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what you want is to say alright this
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animal is either pregnant or lactating
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and so I’m going to give it basically a
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one-pound coffee can of food each day
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and then the last couple of months of
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the pregnancy and then depending on how
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long you’re milking you might switch to
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two one-pound can so one in the morning
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one at night and that’s a whole
27:15
different you know everybody’s got a
27:17
different strategy on that but you’re
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worried about nutrition and we also feed
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organic kelp and something called
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servicio which is a ground up kind of
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like a hay that we that we feed for
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parasite issues so there’s a lot to
27:37
raising goats and in the part 3 we’re
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going to talk more about illnesses and
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parasites and a lot more about food and
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how to use herbal remedies for a lot of
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things and while we get into the
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breeding the breeding of goats and
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that’s got to be another Champion party
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for well / 6 / 7 that’s right there’s a
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lot to it yes yes so much about goats
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that is saying that with this tongue
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right initially always wish I knew
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anyway you’ve been listening to win the
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biomass it’s the wind turbine with Jay
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and Annie Warmke and we thank you for
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spending just a wee bit of time with us
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in the goats and as your grandmother
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hopefully told you the secret to a happy
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and sustainable life is play nice with
28:28
others clean up your own mess and Jay be
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like the goats and eat those veggies til
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next time
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