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welcome to this edition of when the
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biomass hits the wind turbine a
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discussion of sustainable living and
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what that means to you and me I’m Jay
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Warmke I’m Annie Warmke and today we’re
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gonna talk about future trends and
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sustainability or don’t follow me I’m
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lost too I’m gonna remind you of that I
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need no reminding I just need to look up
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periodically alright so let’s talk a
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little bit because we we discuss
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sustainability at nauseam and and at
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black stations all right so I’m trying
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to bring a little culture to this so
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anyway so so when we talk about the
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various aspects of sustainability there
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are a whole lot of broad categories so
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let’s try and hit these things kind of
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one but okay but before we do just to
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say I knew I wasn’t gonna get to my list
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I don’t care about statistics right
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those can be manipulated and who does
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the study that’s what I want to know so
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what we’re going to talk about today is
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really the things that we see as we read
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different news generation things like
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you know some newspapers some magazines
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and just also listening closely to
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people who cross our threshold what
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you’re doing is level setting saying
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none of these projections have anything
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to do with any scientific research not
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so we’re doing scientific research all
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the time what I’m getting at is that
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this is just our conversation and and
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it’s absolutely factual there’s nothing
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made up and it’s not fake news how’s
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that okay well speaking of it’s our news
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from Blue Rock station speaking of fake
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news let’s talk about communication okay
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we we are a world dependent upon
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communication yet we don’t seem able to
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communicate with each other well we’re a
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world dependent on consumption
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communication we want to we want to sell
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stuff and that’s and nobody’s off the
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charts for that okay
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so in the world of sustainability what
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do you see coming down the pike at us
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we’ve seen this this ever progressing
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march of media coming at us ever no it’s
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not a March it’s a bombardment okay
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really amazing like smacking you in the
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chest everywhere you go there’s TVs
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there’s radio there’s social media
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there’s the rectangles staring at you
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beeping at you right so do you see
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people then fighting back against this I
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think so and I see a rejection I’m
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fascinated with the fact that they’re
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actually not just old people but also
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younger people going to flip phones
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where they don’t want to have the
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technology tracking them although it is
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tracking them but they don’t want all of
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that they just want some simple thing to
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communicate with and then they’re going
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to use a real camera to take pictures if
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they need something and I think people
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we hear young people all the time at
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Blue Rock station saying I left my phone
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here because I or I’m taking a break for
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a week from social media or I don’t do
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social media anymore or I’m reading a
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real book that I hold in my hand so I
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think there’s a backlash and I think
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that backlash is gonna keep coming and I
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know I said I wasn’t going to stay it’s
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just you you were I was just gonna
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mention you were telling me about the
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statistic about eBook sales declining
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significantly while real book sales are
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going on 10% a year real book sales are
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increasing so do you know 10% isn’t
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statistics are just made up well the
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other 10% weren’t there you go okay so
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so and and I can see that I mean I’ve
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always maintained a book is a really
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good technology I mean it’s portable
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it’s transferable you can read it when
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the electricity goes off it’s it’s a
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good technology nothing wrong with it so
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we we tend to get carried away when we
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say okay just because we can do a thing
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it’s going to be done that’s right it
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must
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well we’re sunny it makes money well to
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some people but what we’re saying is
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okay as these technologies become more
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intrusive
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more annoying more pervasive people will
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become momentarily Amish right no I
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don’t think I don’t know if that’s a
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good analogy I I don’t think it’s
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momentarily Amish I think that what
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people will say is I know I’m going to
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try to decide what I need and what I
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don’t need and I’m gonna sort that out
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and I’m not sure how that’s gonna impact
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younger people who really don’t know
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life without those things I think what
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it does is create an act of rebellion on
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their part and we all know that anybody
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under 20 for the most part likes to have
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some acts of rebellion so I’m just
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wondering what that’s going to mean to
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our consumption generating corporations
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in the next decade well let’s hope it’s
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significantly change so ok moving on
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speaking of consumption see I’m making
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these bridges how is how do you envision
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because again if I if I go back and say
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all right we’ve gone from a society
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where people or their neighbors created
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food and consumed it themselves or
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shared it with people who were nearby to
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now a food industry that is global and
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highly processed and highly
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industrialised so that has been the
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post-world War Two to today the last 50
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years of progress so where do you see us
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going with that well I think we’re gonna
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see lots more local food so everything
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old is new again well all we have to do
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is least for me is to look back and see
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how my grandparents lived when they were
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maybe in their 30s and 40s before before
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all the things started changing with the
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industrialization of food so I think
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we’re going to see more farmers markets
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better farmers markets more buying
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locally and directly from farmers I
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think we’re going to see a lot of farms
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going out of business because they’re
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mismanaged and they’ve always maintained
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bigger is better and bigger is not
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better and it’s not sustainable I also
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think that we’re going to gain a
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more access to good food because there
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is going to be interruption there’s
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going to be a lot of issues coming that
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will interrupt my interruption do you
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mean like like we’ve seen some ecoli
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outbreaks Voyageur just distribution
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maybe the grid goes down and there’s no
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gas to ship stuff I would take a day and
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it would just be amazing what would
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happen so we’re going to become more
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dependent on each other and what we can
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produce and I think that’s a really
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great thing and there’s some of that
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going on now but I think we have to kind
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of come back to it well I tend to agree
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I think we we’ve got a lot of we’ve
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talked a bit about in other and other
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shows about the natural disasters and
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and how climate change is affecting
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those things well climate change but
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also just the inevitability of highly
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industrializing what you’re putting into
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your body we’re gonna have some major
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catastrophic outbreaks I mean we have
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them already but they don’t seem to
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quite be of a point to bring it into the
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forefront of our consciousness but I
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think it just take a few of them and
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people are gonna start to question
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whether they can really count on the
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safety of the food that’s that they’re
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buying groceries but I don’t even think
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I mean yes I believe that’s true I think
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that’s one thing but I also think the
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disruption of the food chain where the
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food cannot be distributed so it isn’t
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just about that it’s poisoned
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but that it isn’t even available because
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people surprised me even today of how
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close they live to this line of they
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don’t have enough in their house to eat
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and they’re not poor people they just
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don’t put food up you know they don’t
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preserve food they don’t have a big they
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don’t even have food in their freezer
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right and if you talk about the city as
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an organism yes I mean this I don’t
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remember the right statistic but it’s
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like there’s two days or the food or so
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yeah I know yeah but it’s not that’s not
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very much and it’s like people also have
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lost the skillsets to produce food in a
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way that you can like read you know take
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leftovers and do something else with it
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and things like that so there isn’t even
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the ability to make proper food and
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I do think one of the trends at least I
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see is that we’re going to need to go
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back to some form of home economics so
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that young people can learn how to care
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for themselves and I don’t think that’s
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happening right now
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but I also think that we’re going to
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have and these trends are you can go
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online and look this up but as far as
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meat and dairy consumption that is
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decreasing every single year now and
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there’s a lot of complaining about the
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fact that people are eating less meat
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and dairy and of course the meat and
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dairy industry is going after the
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meatless industry and the almond milk
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people saying they can’t use the word
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milk and trying to create definition and
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they’re actually passing legislation in
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a number of states and have one passing
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this legislation to stop the almond milk
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people from saying milk or the meatless
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people you know toe fruit – what is it
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toad – tofurkey can’t you know after 30
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years they’re not allowed to use that
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term or something I don’t know but the
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reality is we are eating less meat we
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are eating less dairy and what do those
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trends mean well maybe we eat more fake
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food or maybe we just eat more plant
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produced food well it strikes me and
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where we’re we’re sort of heading in all
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of this when we talk about the
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technologies people were ejected some of
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the technology infrastructure is
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collapsing under its own wheat well I
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can’t seem to get an internet signal out
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of there oh my god things like that so
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we see that there are pockets the urban
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settings or the affluent urban settings
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have access to a lot of things so it
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with the technology and with the with
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the food system we’re creating again the
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haves and the have-nots and it’s largely
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based on the zip code where you live you
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know your economic situation and your
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location proximity to other people where
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concentration makes it economic to
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provide so so that’s there are a lot of
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neighborhoods in in urban areas that are
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food deserts and a food desert is not
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having access to a real grocery store
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within 2 miles so we actually live in a
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desert yeah okay well we’re I think
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that’s a trend that will see
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accelerating and continuing is is this
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the haves and the have-nots becoming
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more more pronounced and this will be a
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template to layover every one of these
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trends that we put in because those
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people who are educated and have the
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resources you know they’re entering into
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this brave new world of amazing
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opportunity those people who are not
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accessible to these resources become
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more and more ghettoized you know in in
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so many different ways and as we’ve
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talked about where government can be
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seen as the great great equalizer does
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not seem to be stepping up to the plate
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well they’re not coming right well we
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can they encourage it they really do
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encourage it okay so speaking of not
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coming this is another good ok
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transportation there we go
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transportation how are we even get there
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from here so so what what’s new what’s
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new in store in transportation as long
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as Annie sees it well one is that this
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does not take a rocket scientist to
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figure out that gas is cheap now but it
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is not going to stay there and I believe
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that the Saudis are paying us back for
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us not putting up with some of their big
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lies in their their torture where we’re
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being rewarded for putting up with these
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oh I don’t think we’re being rewarded at
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all I think we’re being led down okay so
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you’re saying okay we’re gonna make you
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dependent one so once again I see fuels
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yeah then we’re gonna yank the carpet
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yeah we are cynical person yeah they
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think that’s exactly what they’re doing
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and they got a lot of petrol I mean a
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lot of oil and they can do it so and
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then people are gonna race out and buy
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these vehicles and fortunately the other
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trend well so and then they’re going to
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knock the socks off of us with the price
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but that’s okay I think that’s a
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positive thing because the car companies
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all the major car companies are
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repositioning themselves to have
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electric vehicles and hybrid vehicles
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and that is going to save us so this
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these can do whatever they want but
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we’re gonna be in a better position now
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save us save us for the time being
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because every trend solves a problem and
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then turns around it absolutely
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absolutely it’s another problem okay
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well you have been listening to when the
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biomass it’s the wind turbine with Jay
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and Annie Warmke reminding you once
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more that it is indeed the end of the
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world as we know it and thank God thank
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God okay so we’re not done yet man we’ve
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got the future to worry about so we’ve
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been talking about transportation and
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and we’re talking about okay
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transportation gas prices going up
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that’s gonna its disruptive the feast or
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famine kind of situation of fossil fuels
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moving towards an electric
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transportation and then one of my
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possible future trends I mean we in this
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sustainability industry love mass
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transit none of us actually use it even
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when it works you know when it’s
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available we like the convenience of our
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own vehicle you and I love to
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commiserate about how much we’d love to
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ride the trains in here okay but that
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was very convenient but but if you’re
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talking about people in general not not
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strange Psychopaths like ourselves
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reserved for your goats so anyway we we
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tend to like the convenience of going
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where we want to go and getting there
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when we want to get there and I think
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what we’re seeing is a conversion of
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technologies that will allow for
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individualized mass transit and and
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that’s a concept that I think is we’re
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taking baby steps towards their uber is
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an example I don’t have to own a car
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whenever I want to get somewhere I just
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call up uber and they show up and take
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me where I want to go if you happen to
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live in the city you know where uber is
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available and things like that but there
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are a lot of folks now in our society
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sim
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look at the automobile is an option as
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opposed to a necessity then we’re moving
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towards driverless vehicles but back up
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because I’m thinking of being in Paris
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and in London where they have converted
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to like I think every taxi driver I saw
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in Paris had a Prius hybrid and they had
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recharging stations for bicycles and the
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bicycles were there so it was they were
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government-owned and the thing about
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uber is the picture I have when you’re
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saying that is all these individual cars
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racing around and there are a lot more
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of them and that is kind of like
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destroying the whole concept of
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sustainability well we we thought we had
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this thought okay if people aren’t going
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out to buy their own cars there’ll be
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less traffic what ends up happening is
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the uber drivers driving around looking
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for somebody to pick up so so there’s a
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lot more traffic on the road so I’m not
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saying these things are solving any
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problems I’m just saying this is a trend
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where we’re going to look towards
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individualized mass transit whether that
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be vehicles driven or autonomous
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bicycles we see that in some places
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where you can just you know put money in
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a slot take a bike drive where you want
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to go right where you want to go and I
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believe there’s a couple of Chinese
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companies that are doing that really big
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in some sense there are some of those
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rental car places that are like that too
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you just grab a car and there’s a car
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park somebody right in Columbus you can
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do that right now southeastern Ohio is
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not only a food desert we’re a desert
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when it comes to all these innovation so
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once again the haves and the have-nots
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well we have other things that are
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important yes beauty fresh air good food
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charming people and intelligent children
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so those are all remember that gosh
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there’s too many on the list right so
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but I just think that private mass
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transit which seems to be an oxymoron
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but I think it’s something that you
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heard it here first okay let’s move on I
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heard it here first
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employment ok what’s the future of
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employment the future of employment is
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that
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if you want to have a life so first of
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all if you went to college you probably
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are in debt for the rest of your life
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and I just had dinner on the weekend
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with somebody who went to school to get
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her master’s degree in accounting and
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she has a hundred seventy thousand
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dollars in debt $1,800 a month payment
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before she pays rent or anything so
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she’s in debt for the rest of her life
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and that’s the way it is
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how old is this person Oh like 28 or 29
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so so here’s the other part of that is
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that in order to live sustainably forget
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the debt part for the moment in order to
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live sustainably I believe that we have
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to live very differently than we do now
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for one thing we need to not have one
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source for any one thing that we need so
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we don’t if we shouldn’t have one source
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to heat our house so why do we have one
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source for employment so so you’re
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moving towards the gig economy well I
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know that’s what they call it although
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it doesn’t seem like it’s terribly nice
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right now but I think what has to happen
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is we have to have a different
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government that sustains some of this
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with us so we’re in partnership with the
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people who take the tax money and so we
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need to have young people who have a
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couple of different sources and here’s
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of employment and here’s what happens
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then that perhaps they actually do
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something that gives them a sense of
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accomplishment and makes them feel good
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about what they’re doing whether it’s
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working for McDonald’s or its sweeping
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the streets I mean not everybody is
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going to end up doing you know being the
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rocket scientist but the other flip side
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of that is that we need to have people
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feel good about what they’re doing and
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it is possible for the other part of it
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is has to do with training you know I
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see a trend towards saying look we’ve
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got a couple of different groups that
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are in school besides the people going
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to university and the people that are
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just going to go out and do the labourer
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jobs and in between there are some
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really brilliant people who need trade
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school they need vocational
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occasion they need mentoring and so I
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think if we step up to the plate and
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look at that and say that’s a solution
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then the gig economy can work because
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people are in different jobs doing
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different things that appeal to them
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it’s not just you’re just the laborer
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using your back to earn a living and
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you’re not even making enough to pay for
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a place to live so what you’re saying is
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the post-world War two idea or ideal of
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going out getting a college education
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going to work for a large corporation
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and having this this unsaid contract
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between that company that I will devote
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all of my energies to you and you will
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take care of me until I die basically
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well that’s it that that was the very
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ideal list well that was never a reality
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but most of our ideals are never
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realities but we’re saying okay let’s
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acknowledge the fact that the
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corporation doesn’t care whether you
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know they’ll use you abuse you and toss
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you away so we see the idea that you
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know working to live not living to work
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that’s that’s the big piece where we are
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right now that young people want to have
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more of a life they’ve seen that and
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they know it doesn’t work and they’ve
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been saddled with this debt and so
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they’re saying look I can’t earn enough
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to even afford a car and a place to live
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I can’t afford children so I want to
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have something that says I can have some
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leisure time I want to have some time
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where I can just be myself instead of be
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owned by the person I work for and I
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want to feel sustainable in what I’m
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doing you know lots of young people want
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to do composting and grow food and you
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know I think it’s a huge trend in our
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culture and it’s just beginning okay so
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so the big killer of choices which
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you’ve mentioned several times is debt
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debt is prison debt is slavery and and
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debt is is the number one product sold
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in our nation I mean that is the product
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that is manufactured more than anything
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else if you think about the debt
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industry
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yeah as it exists and and I think from
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historical standpoint you know at one
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point people did not go into debt they
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they worked saved and bought what it was
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they needed there are certain purchases
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like homes and land that that becomes
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almost a generational thing where you
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would have to work almost your whole
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life to save up for that so so there
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became it are you inherited so there’s a
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different model than we have today right
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but but then with the idea of being able
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to purchase a home on installment that
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was a big advancement and like most
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things that become a problem in the
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beginning they were not necessarily a
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problem so then we get a revolving
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credit kind of thing for the for the
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purchase of things you would like to
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have now the the old company store idea
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you know that was a way of indenture
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people to be indebted to the country
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model we have now yeah so now you’re now
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the company stores your credit card you
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know you are working to pay off the debt
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against things that you’re already used
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up and broke well you also borrowed
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money say if you’re in college or
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university you borrowed money towards
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your future earnings you didn’t just
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borrow money to have something right and
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that’s the next step is you say all
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right not only are you borrowing money
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for stuff that it’s gonna depreciate and
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break and get used up but now we’re
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going to borrow money against future
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earnings and and we’ve speculated a
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little bit about this in our own private
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conversations is to say well what else
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could these people actually loan you
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money against that you have well what
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else does the person have they don’t
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have enough mouths I’m saying you know
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in when we push it one forward why not
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sell the future earnings of your
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children you know why why you’re you’re
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doing that with with school debt why not
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you know the second year kid is born say
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hey this kids going to earn X number of
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dollars I’m gonna borrow against my kids
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earning and you say well that’s not fair
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well who said economics is fair right I
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mean you’re raising the kid for eighteen
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years 20 years what
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that kid owes you I don’t think it’s
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that far-fetched because I was reading
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about the way that things are being done
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in China where they have a credit system
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and it basically evaluates you it
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evaluates everything you purchase it
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evaluates your friends and your family
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and what they purchase and where they
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eat and the music they listen to and if
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your friends and your family aren’t very
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high up on the scale people will go out
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and try to get somebody and actually
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give them money to sign on to their
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friendship base so they can lift their
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ability to borrow money or buy things or
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get a place to eat in a restaurant
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apparently have to sign up ahead of time
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and if you don’t have enough high high
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enough rating on your card you can’t get
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a place in some of the restaurants sense
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which is why the governor and I go
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through the drive-thru window he’s dead
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neither I just want you to say he’s dead
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no I wasn’t talking about that guy oh
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okay it’s alive governor I don’t know of
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which state okay so so you’re in debt
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your future is in debt you’re up to your
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eyeballs where are you gonna live well
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my people are living at home well they
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sold your future income that’s true well
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no they didn’t get that money or you you
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got that money but it’s gonna change I
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think it’s not just living at home but I
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think I see lots of young people living
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together in houses in neighborhoods
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where four or five people are living in
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some of these houses that are pretty
26:17
good-sized or even not pretty good-sized
26:20
and even people my age living with
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younger people where they rent a room so
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we’re talking about sharing resources
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you say everybody doesn’t need their own
26:31
home everybody doesn’t need their own
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car everybody doesn’t need their own
26:35
lawnmower their own riding mower their
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own whatever their own kitchen right so
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why don’t we share these resources
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well we’re Americans so we’re taught
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that we have this you know pioneering
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spirit and we should buy one of
26:47
everything for ourselves but I think
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it’s starting to change and I think the
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economy is enough who’s teaching us that
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the guys who want to sell us
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stuff well but who’s teaching us that we
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don’t need to do that and that’s maybe
27:01
you and I are okay well I’m saying low
27:07
stomach from a marketing standpoint who
27:10
is teaching us and I think it’s
27:12
word-of-mouth right now and that’s where
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the activism piece comes in because we
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can make changes with things like this
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and how we consume and how we live and
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how we don’t live that can make such a
27:24
huge difference so I want to say one
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thing about spiritual practice because
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we’ve talked about a lot of things that
27:31
have to do with stuff okay well 15
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seconds for spirit all right so I think
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that the emergence of young younger
27:39
people discovering groups like pagans
27:41
and Universal Unitarian Universalists
27:44
that have a religious group that come
27:47
together I think there’s a bankruptcy
27:49
that we have in our culture around
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spiritualism and it’s not about religion
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and so I think people are going to start
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discovering some of these wonderful
27:57
other practices that are more rooted in
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nature and real life okay well with that
28:03
thought you’ve been listening to when
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the biomass it’s the wind turbine with
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Jay and Annie Warmke we want to thank
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our producer Adam rich hey Adam didn’t
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you win an Emmy Adam congratulations
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thank you for just spending a little bit
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of time with us and as your grandmother
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hopefully told you the secret to a happy
28:22
and sustainable life is stop picking on
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Adam clean up your own mess and eat your
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vegetables thank you
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