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welcome to this edition of when the
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biomass hits the wind turbine a
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discussion of sustainable living and
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what that means to you and me I’m Jay Warmke
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and I’m Annie Warmke with lots of
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cough drops
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yes sucking on a cough drop and today
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we’re going to talk about learning to
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thrive or hey that ditch over there is
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the Grand Canyon and Annie is just
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shaking her head saying what the heck’s
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I mean but but I put that in there
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because you give that analogy a lot
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saying okay that first step that first
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step to changing your life can seem like
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the Grand Canyon you know I mean that’s
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it might as well be for most people yeah
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I mean they get into this place and then
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they go okay that one step over there is
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just too intimidating too fearful I’m
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not going to do it so so you you often
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teach these workshops or discuss these
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things with different groups about
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thriving and I think kind of for us
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thriving was all about moving into this
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realm of sustainable living saying okay
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the the system that we had been told was
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rewarding and fulfilling for us was not
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rewarding and fulfilling in the same way
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as the mythology told us it would be so
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how do we thrive well we had to go off
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and start our own our own path so step
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number one I don’t want to tell you this
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stuff I’m gonna sit here and be the
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enlightened mr. warm feel over me here’s
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the challenge so I would I would say
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that I thrived much earlier than living
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at Blue Rock station because I made a
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concerted effort that as a person when I
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was growing up and as a young woman I
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had a very horrible life an abusive life
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and and many bad things happened at the
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hands of people who said they loved me
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and at some point I took a hold of my
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life even though I was terrified and I
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went into hiding and I was homeless and
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I remember thinking watching people
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laugh and thinking I want to understand
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what it means to laugh spontaneously I
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want to
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understand what it means to feel good
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about every day of my life and that’s
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the quest that I was on when I met you
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and fortunately for you you didn’t think
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I was crazy so and here we are 38 years
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later yeah it took me 38 years to learn
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you were crazy
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okay good well too late anyway so the
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first thing that I had to do was to face
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my fears and that is a real challenge in
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this culture because the culture
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promotes fear it’s one of the ways that
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if we if we don’t feel safe it’s very
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difficult to move on in other ways in
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our life this is a the basic requirement
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of human beings is to feel safe well and
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you you tell I entered that interrupts
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there but about you always told that you
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told me the story and I always liked it
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about the the Lions right facing your
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fear oh yeah yeah well this was this was
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something that came to me later in my
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life as a battered woman and when I had
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decided that I had to find some
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confidence in myself some self-esteem
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because I had none I I didn’t I had to
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go to bed at 7 o’clock at night and and
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then I would wait for my husband to go
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to sleep and then I would get up and I
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had saved some money that I had worked
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on a place and I bought myself a little
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black-and-white TV which I hadn’t had TV
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or phone for years and I watched this
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show called the 700 club that was on
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late at night and they told this really
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wild story which I’m sure is not true
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but it changed my life and it’s the
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story of a pride of lions where the
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young males are hunting and the old male
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has no teeth and he has mange and he
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looks really horrible but he’s huge so
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he gets up on this Bluff where he can
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overlook the area where the young lions
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are going to march this prey towards him
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and then they’re going to attack the
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prey so he gets up there and he starts
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his roar and he sounds terrible he’s
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just the mammoth thing and just the roar
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is amazing and and they called it
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walking to the roar and just when he
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lets out the roar and the prayer the
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pray hear it and see it
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instead of running towards the roar
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the one thing he’s afraid of he turns
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around and runs back and then there are
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all the young ones waiting for him and
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they kill him
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right so the the the point of that story
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is that the safest route is to run
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towards the roar well I always say hold
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your nose what your nose when sure I
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should kind of like jumping into the
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deep end but it’s also asking you but I
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was gonna say I told that to one of our
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interns and then she said yeah well that
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sounds like a story told by the one who
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survived which I thought was yeah it’s
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like sometimes running towards the roar
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is actually dangerous well you tell me
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that often but but I also think you have
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to ask yourself a couple of questions
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about if you’re going to run towards
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that roar are you in physical danger and
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perhaps you are but maybe what’s behind
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you is worse and are you going to grow
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from that experience and if you answer
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that you’re not going to be injured and
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you’re going to gain something from it
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then you should just do it and it’s
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going to be far less as Beck worse than
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what you thought it was going to be and
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you face that fear and each time you
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face those fears you grow as a person
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you understand yourself better and and
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that helps in this next one which is
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that we have to accept that our
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culture’s version of being a man and a
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woman is a lie and and I say this to
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women every day that your mother’s
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version or your culture’s version of you
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as a woman is a lie and and the reason
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it’s a lie is because it sets you up to
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be only a certain way to act a certain
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way look a certain way be a certain way
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and we have to get beyond that and the
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reason we hang on to these norms is
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because we have a lot of fear of
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rejection and not succeeding and and
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anything you can think of and it’s all
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perpetuated by the media and the and our
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government so we want to face those
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fears and move on and say who are we
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really not just as men or women and that
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leads us to the third one which is I
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have to learn to love myself and perhaps
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that’s the hardest one so there might be
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days when you feel like you can love
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yourself and there may be days you don’t
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or even minutes that you love yourself
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and you don’t but you
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have to take time for yourself and for
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your own needs and that may sound like a
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great luxury but maybe it’s as simple as
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doing one yoga pose every morning or
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maybe it’s just sitting by the window
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for 10 minutes in the evening and
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contemplating life we’re a positive
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thing that you say to yourself it
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doesn’t have to be a big hairy deal but
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you have to learn how to love something
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within yourself and you can only do that
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by taking time to do this is there a
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yoga pose that involves a cup of coffee
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and and sitting bleary-eyed well you
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that that’s your supposed to be mindful
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while you’re doing it I’m a grandmaster
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so I so the problem that we have is that
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we talk in our heads to ourselves at
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15,000 words a minute that’s a lot of
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words and if we’re telling ourselves
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that we don’t have value if we’re
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telling ourselves that we can’t face
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whatever our fears are or we don’t have
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the ability to reach out for our dreams
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then that 15,000 words have been it
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become so powerful so we have to change
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those messages then the first message
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has to be I love myself I’m happy with
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so those those first three that you’ve
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touched on are kind of this I think all
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of us have dealt with this where you say
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okay I have things that I’m afraid of
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I’m I’m feeling that something in this
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society is not right and I’ve decided
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myself but I’ve decided to internalize
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that yeah that weirdness by saying it
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must be me that’s off not the fact that
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what I’m being told is well I think we
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learned that as kids you know I grew up
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in a really crazy family and it wasn’t
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until I realized that I was the same one
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that everything sort of fell into place
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for me I kept thinking I had to be the
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one that changed because I wasn’t liked
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or accepted by the people who said they
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loved me and I think most I don’t know
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that I’ve ever met a person who grew up
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in a functional family I mean
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everybody’s it happens but it’s rare but
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that’s alright they’re so odd if they
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were raised in a functional feel maybe
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but here’s the deal we can’t help what
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happened to us when we were kids but
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we’re adults now and we definitely have
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control over some of that so the next
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issue is to establish ownership of my
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how I dress who touches it how I use it
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for work and rest and stress and so lots
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of us have grown up without the ability
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to make a living unless we’re use our
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bodies for labor or some kind of
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physical activity that that creates
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something and so we in many ways we use
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our body to make money but in reality we
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have to establish some kind of ownership
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over it because until we do we will only
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use our body to hurt it in so many ways
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like too many lifts or even for myself
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like I just torn the ligament in my arm
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from my goats pulling and chugging on me
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because I’m too well I let it go too
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long I wasn’t listening to my body and
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now I’ve heard it even worse because I
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don’t care enough for my body so when
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you’re saying own your body you’re
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saying listen to it take care of it and
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I think the other thing which goes in
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line with what you’re saying about you
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know having a positive self-image is
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accept it you know yes most people hate
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something about the way they look but I
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can’t I can’t change how I look and the
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reality is I might be able to have an
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operation but you know what my DNA
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didn’t change and I just think we have
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to become friends with our body and say
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this is the one I got and I’m really
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pleased that my hair is nice and I’m
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really pleased that I have the ability
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to laugh easily whatever those things
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are and begin to focus on that and
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create these messages in your brain so
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those 15,000 words a minute actually
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become something positive instead of
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your mother’s voice beating you up so
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the other thing the next thing is really
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super important is we have to expand our
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experiences by investing in all kinds of
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things in life and the problem is we are
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taught not to do that in this country we
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have so many amazing people who have
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come here from somewhere else and yet we
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hide as a culture we hide we want to go
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only where people look and act like us
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and so we don’t bother as you know how
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about what percentage of
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Chin’s are in this country 71% of this
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population that call themselves
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Christian but they don’t want to hang
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out with the people who are not
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Christian they want to hang and and
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those of us who are not Christian don’t
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necessarily want to hang out with the
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Christians but in reality we could learn
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a lot and maybe gain some very rich
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experiences and tools in life if we just
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broaden that experience level and our
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fear level would go down tremendously
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well when you’re saying invest in others
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you’re saying accept you know the the
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differences embrace the differences and
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get to know them but isn’t there also
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then contributing I mean you often talk
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about what the interns coming through
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Blue Rock station I am investing in you
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I am I am putting energy into you and
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your well-being because I will feel
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something from that I will I will get
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satisfaction from seeing you do well
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well I think it’s two different things I
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think that expanding our experiences
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mean all right so let’s say you belong
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to an organization that wants to expand
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their membership they want more members
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but everybody’s there is white so go to
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churches go to synagogues go to meetup
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centers that are not focused in areas
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that are just for white English as your
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first language speaking people that’s
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what I’m talking about the second part
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of that is about investing in others
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that’s also expanding your experiences
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but that’s a little bit different
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because we’ve learned that we’re
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supposed to give a hundred and fifty
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percent of ourselves unless we’re the
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president and he doesn’t seem he seems
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to lack that skillset but at least meet
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people 50 percent of the way but only
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meet them 50 percent is correct but at
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least at least and there are times when
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things are going badly or someone dies
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or there’s really heartache and then you
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have to give more than that fifty
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percent so an example would be that yes
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we do have an internship program and we
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encourage people to share their
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knowledge and provide mentoring to young
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people but we only want to give that 50
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percent because we want them to give the
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other 50 percent and to learn how to do
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that well you are listening to when the
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biomass hits the wind turbine with Jay
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and Annie Warmke reminding you as
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always it is indeed the end of the world
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as we know it and thank God thank God
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okay so today we’re talking about
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thriving and and how does this come back
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to sustainability this is a program
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about sustainability so so you know this
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can be a bit touchy-feely what we’re
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talking about here it isn’t a bit
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touchy-feely totally about being a real
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person with real people okay so that is
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the heart of sustainability honest it
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really is it’s about being together
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sharing experiences sharing skillsets
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eating together learning from each other
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and if we don’t have the ability to face
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our fears and be honest with each other
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and put things on the table we can never
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expect to have peace in our home or our
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neighborhood or even in our country okay
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so so Annie’s ten steps towards thriving
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in life just to recap you’ve covered
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over first and foremost face your fears
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right if you want to change your life
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you’ve actually got a change which is
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scary
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that’s I accept that almost everything
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I’ll give it an almost that you’ve been
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told by our society by your experiences
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is probably wrong well no that’s
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different that’s different than to say
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that my cultures version of being a man
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or a woman that’s that’s different than
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what you just said and this wasn’t
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that’s nice wait a minute wait a minute
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because I have to I need to understand
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for me personally what it means to be a
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woman and I need to understand why I
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need to know that because that’s the
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heart of Who I am
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and if I can’t get that part then where
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do I go from there can we expand that to
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what it means to be a grown-up because
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I’m still waiting for this I notice that
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sometimes I think Mac and I think you
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know right my dad never would have sat
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on the floor you know but I seem to sit
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on the floor a lot so who knows or
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changed I play Tonka toys
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alright then you’re saying take time for
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yourself own own your own body as you
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say well learn to love myself be
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comfortable within that shell yeah but
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it’s more than just your body it’s it’s
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the way you handle people it’s the way
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you interact with life it’s the things
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you care about and don’t care about you
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to really say I love that about myself
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and if I don’t then change it
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sure and then the other is investing in
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learning about other people expanding
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your experiences and then also learning
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how to meet people 50% of the way but no
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further ok yeah and you’ve said it both
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directions you’ve said sometimes you go
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at least well I gave an example of our
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leadership in this country I know but
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and we’ve had this discussion often and
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I think this is something that people
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need to have most people who are who are
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in good people good nice people tend to
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say well if I just do a little bit more
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if I just let’s try and do this and at
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some point you just have to kind of go
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look I’m gonna meet you halfway and if
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you don’t come that other half then I’m
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gonna write you off I’m gonna just have
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to have to just move on well and and
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this is this isn’t I learned two really
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important things a few years ago when
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when we had a really tragic thing
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happened at our farm that just really
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touched my soul so deeply I will never
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really completely heal from it and I
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went to two different people that I
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trusted and I asked them to help me
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because I couldn’t seem to get over the
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depression of what had happened and the
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first person said to me you know when my
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brother killed himself I was 17 and I
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learned from that experience to only
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meet people 50% of the way and Annie
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you’re terrible at that you just really
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give everything you’ve got
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all the time and you’ve got to change
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and then the other person said to me
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Annie if your house was on set on fire
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by somebody would you chase after that
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person or would you put the fire out and
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at the time I couldn’t understand what
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that meant but I told myself I want to
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remember it because I know it’s a
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horton and i think that fits here it’s
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where it says look just invest what you
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need to invest because if that person is
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going to be the person that you’re going
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to share that boat seat with or that bus
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seat with or the end of the world with
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you want to make sure that they
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understand that they have to meet you
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50% of the way to so that’s that next is
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learn to ask for what you need so J
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smiling at me because he’s thinking I’m
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chasing after the guy set my house on
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fire okay well then then you’re in
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trouble I know that’s I learned that I’m
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trying to I’m just sorting that one in
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my end I’ll meet you halfway on it okay
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thank you
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ask me in the car on the way home anyway
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so I need to learn to ask for what I
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need and I think this is really
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important I in my experience most people
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think that other folks read minds so if
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you give certain cues or certain looks
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or certain pouting or certain refusals
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or laughing or whatever I am supposed to
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be able to read your mind and know
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exactly what you’re talking about or
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when you shake your head yes I’m
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supposed to understand that you don’t
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really mean that so what I’m talking
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about
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is to say what I think and what I need
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because sometimes I do need other people
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to know what I’m thinking I do know that
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I have had a bad day and I need you to
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understand it’s been a bad day and could
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you take care of me today or today I
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feel low and and I call that having the
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brain flu because if you had the stomach
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flu everybody would help you but when
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you’re low they they’re like shake it
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off but I think that if we want to be
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successful in life and by that I mean to
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have a good life and to have meaningful
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work and happy families we have to learn
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how to nourish ourselves and a lot of
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that comes from not swallowing the crap
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that we’re handed by speaking up for
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what we need like for example don’t talk
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to me like that ever again don’t use
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that word with me ever again it hurts my
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feelings and invariably the person will
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say well I didn’t mean it it’s like well
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it doesn’t matter if you didn’t mean it
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matters that that’s how it felt to
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there’s nothing wrong with asking
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somebody to tell you you did a good job
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we do this together all the time or give
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a tour of what you did with your work
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yeah or tell me what you think of my
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decisions or my goals well what you’re
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saying just reminded me of something my
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brother told me which I just recently he
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said I’m I’m no longer upset that people
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can’t communicate I’m just astounded
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when they do yeah okay but that’s the
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same it’s the same thinking it’s just
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he’s twisted it slightly and now it
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makes sense
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I remember once something that you gave
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to me that was quite profound in that I
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was always asking the wrong people to
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tell me something nice and the worst
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wrong person was my mother and so I
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would call her and I would say oh I just
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got this big award and she would listen
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politely and then she would say we know
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I cut my finger today and it hurt really
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badly and go off on whatever she had
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bought that day and so one time I had
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gotten a really important award and I
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was dialing the phone and you said who
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are you calling I said I’m calling my
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mom he said oh why don’t you call
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somebody who cares and I looked at you
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and I thought that makes perfect sense
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why I wasn’t able to put that into my
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own head but it was really powerful it
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changed my life so I never asked my mom
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to give me praise for anything after
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that and I was a lot happier person
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because I instead called up someone who
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I love very much and she was ecstatic
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she sent me flowers she sang to me in
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the phone and that was the response I
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needed okay well that’s good I’m glad I
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changed your life in more ways than
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there you go okay so what’s next what’s
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on your list and if you manage to do
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these things and it’s a constant it’s
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not something you just do once then
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you’ve got to have a plan and we talk a
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lot a lot about that in these shows of
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having some kind of plan for your life
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and it may be that it’s just a
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short-term plan and then as you know
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more you’re able to have a longer range
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plan but you’ve got to know what is it
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you’re going to do about transportation
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work life friends what you eat how you
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worship all that kind of stuff
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I think the last two are probably the
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most important once you’ve gotten some
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control in your life and that next to
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the last one is love doesn’t conquer all
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so I learned a long time ago that I can
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love somebody but I can’t and don’t need
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to live with them to prove it and that
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changed my life too because I had a
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horrible life before I was 30
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also don’t dirty fight you know love
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love doesn’t conquer all and so you can
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be dirty and mean and a fight with
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somebody you love and don’t own your own
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thoughts and feelings and you just call
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them names or whatever and you know what
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no matter how much you love that person
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you can’t undo that sometimes it takes a
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long time to figure out what to say to
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somebody so that you can reach a
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compromise or go on loving each other in
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a good and meaningful way but I don’t
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think we’re seeing this demonstrated I
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mean in the media today and and we’re
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we’re fortunate in that we’re fairly
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disconnected from it for the most part
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but when you watch what purport to be
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news programs it’s mostly just people
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being nasty Markey and they’re yelling
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at each other in thinking that the
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louder I talk the writer I am kind of
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thing yeah well I think I think we have
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to ask ourselves in our plan what kind
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of relationships do we want and if we
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want to have nourishing relationships
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that are supportive of us and and
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provide nourishment and love we can’t
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act like that and that doesn’t mean that
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I don’t say what I think it doesn’t mean
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that I don’t stand up for myself or not
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take no for an answer that is not what
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I’m talking about
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it’s about saying things in a way that
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the other person can really hear what
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you’re saying can really no all right I
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get what that means and here’s how I
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need to change my own behavior or how
24:16
she needs to change her behavior so we
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can be happy and most of the time is
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just some little piddly thing it isn’t
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even a big deal but it’s a big deal to
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that person but love doesn’t conquer at
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all it once you have said cruel things
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once you have acted in cruel ways or
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made things so you can’t trust it no
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amount of love is going to conquer that
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I don’t care what people say does
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so you are saying there’s consequences
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there are consequences to all of our
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behavior and especially if you don’t
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face your fears you lead a life of total
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hopelessness really because you’ve got
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all these dreams and cares and things
24:58
you have inside of you and they can’t
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get out and so that’s where the Grand
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Canyon comes in so you’ve got to get
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beyond that so the last thing which is
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probably the most significant lesson I
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learned in this life is that I’ve got to
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walk only on my own path I didn’t come
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here to teach you or to convince you or
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to save you in any way because that puts
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me in a position where somehow I think
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I’m better or mightier or bolder than
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you are probably am bolder but but I
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can’t give away something I don’t have
25:33
and so I if I want to live a life of
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care and love and to be true to these
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things these ten ways to thrive that I
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believe so strongly and that have saved
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my life
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I absolutely have to realize that I’m on
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the path by myself but what the great
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thing that happens once you start to
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walk on that path that’s really truly
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you’re thriving path not the one where
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you’re the victim or the survivor but
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you’re thriving is that people like you
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reach out and take my hand and say would
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you care if I walk with you because I
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like the things that you’re saying or I
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care about how you treat me or others
26:16
and then somebody else reaches out and
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says could I walk on that path with you
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and eventually then you have
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relationships with people that are
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honest and that you can trust and you
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can build a future on well it reminds me
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of a saying I heard years and years ago
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which I always liked was the world will
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get out of the way of a person who knows
26:38
where they’re going
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that’s very true I believe that mmm-hmm
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and and when you’re when you’re talking
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about how people become attracted to you
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and walking your path with you is it’s
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almost it just strikes me as someone
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who’s dealing with an addiction issue or
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something like that
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once you’ve dealt with these other
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negative behaviors then you begin to
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attract a whole new group of people well
27:02
but you also have to decide you’re going
27:05
to attract those different people
27:06
because the same people are not going to
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to be able to nourish you and that’s
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hard you because you you are there’s a
27:13
mourning process in all of this as well
27:15
you are going to give up people who are
27:17
constantly like the crabs trying to pull
27:20
you back down into the bucket and say
27:22
you’re changing your behavior I don’t
27:23
like the fact that you’re changing your
27:25
behavior so I’m going to do whatever I
27:27
can do to sabotage that well and it
27:30
really does all come back to the fact
27:33
that you say to yourself I’ve got to
27:35
have a plan so when I was addicted to
27:39
medications that help my body get
27:41
through what was happening to me when I
27:43
was addicted to nicotine I absolutely
27:46
had to have a plan a real physical plan
27:49
of how to get beyond that okay well you
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have been listening to when the biomass
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it’s the wind turbine with Jay and Annie
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Warmke we want to thank our
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award-winning producer Adam Rich and
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thank you for spending just a little bit
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of time with us and as your grandmother
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probably told you the secret to a happy
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and sustainable life is talk nicely to
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others clean up your own mess and eat
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